9 Feb 2022 3:51 pm
Cannonpointer » 09 Feb 2022, 3:46 pm » wrote: ↑ It WAS that simple. The current facts on the ground are these: neither NATO NOR Ukraine are ready for that alliance. The government of Ukraine was installed against the wishes of its people by the United States in 2014. As a result, Ukraine is an endemically corrupt state led by neo-nazis and entirely corrupted by the biden family et al - an undemocratic coup-government that is failing in real time and does not represent the people.
So there's that - NATO doesn't want those problems.
Then there's Ukraine. The "government" knows that its INDIVIDUAL members will be badly treated in the Russian gulag, at best, if they TRY to join NATO. Russia can and will roll to the Polish border, in that event - and they will take prisoners.
So there's that - Ukraine isn't petitioning for admission.
So, "We promise not to induct Ukraine - signed, NATO" is no longer a solution. Especially given the history of such promises (google "Poland"). Russia has a rapidly failing state on its border, placed there by adversaries, specifically constituted by anti-Russians to oppose Russian interests at every turn. Putin cannot let that stand - any more than we could let an astro-turf, Chinese-made, anti-U.S. Mexican government stand. It's a Gordian Knot. Someone, somewhere, at some point, is gonna have to take a sword to it.
Or some tank divisions, if not...
The best possible solution is reform from within, driven by pressure from without. But that's a five leaf clover, right there. A veritable hen's tooth.
My money is on tanks.
if ukraiine is not asking for permission is russia aware of it?
I would say talks with ukraine and russia would be a good idea. and a peace offering to russia in the form of a cute puppy. maybe a russian wolfhound to show that ukraine respects its russian roots.